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		<title>By: Fred Lotgering</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Lotgering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Well explained how it should be done. The whole process must be well understood, balanced and optimized. Not an easy task, but with clear benefits.

Thanks
Fred

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred Lotgering&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://grabthetraffic.com/2009/03/giveaways-for-building-traffic/&quot;&gt;GiveAways for Building Traffic&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;192&#039;,&#039;Fred Lotgering&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;192&#039;,&#039;Fred Lotgering&#039;,&#039;Mike,\r\n\r\nWell explained how it should be done. The whole process must be well understood, balanced and optimized. Not an easy task, but with clear benefits.\r\n\r\nThanks\r\nFred\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred Lotgering&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/grabthetraffic.com\/2009\/03\/giveaways-for-building-traffic\/\&quot;&gt;GiveAways for Building Traffic&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Well explained how it should be done. The whole process must be well understood, balanced and optimized. Not an easy task, but with clear benefits.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Fred</p>
<p><abbr><em>Fred Lotgering&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://grabthetraffic.com/2009/03/giveaways-for-building-traffic/">GiveAways for Building Traffic</a></em></abbr>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('192','Fred Lotgering'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('192','Fred Lotgering','Mike,\r\n\r\nWell explained how it should be done. The whole process must be well understood, balanced and optimized. Not an easy task, but with clear benefits.\r\n\r\nThanks\r\nFred\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fred Lotgering&amp;#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/grabthetraffic.com\/2009\/03\/giveaways-for-building-traffic\/\&quot;&gt;GiveAways for Building Traffic&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Joel Osborne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anther great post Mike! I see this all to often, unrelated products being offered simply because of a high/good commission structure.

BTW, I&#039;m enjoying the Seesmic videos, it makes it very easy to digest the information.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Joel Osborne&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.privatelabelrights.ca/private-label-rights/7-money-making-ideas-for-plr-ebooks/&quot;&gt;7 Money Making Ideas for PLR Ebooks&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;190&#039;,&#039;Joel Osborne&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;190&#039;,&#039;Joel Osborne&#039;,&#039;Anther great post Mike! I see this all to often, unrelated products being offered simply because of a high\/good commission structure.\r\n\r\nBTW, I\&#039;m enjoying the Seesmic videos, it makes it very easy to digest the information.\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Joel Osborne&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.privatelabelrights.ca\/private-label-rights\/7-money-making-ideas-for-plr-ebooks\/\&quot;&gt;7 Money Making Ideas for PLR Ebooks&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anther great post Mike! I see this all to often, unrelated products being offered simply because of a high/good commission structure.</p>
<p>BTW, I&#8217;m enjoying the Seesmic videos, it makes it very easy to digest the information.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Joel Osborne&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://www.privatelabelrights.ca/private-label-rights/7-money-making-ideas-for-plr-ebooks/">7 Money Making Ideas for PLR Ebooks</a></em></abbr>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('190','Joel Osborne'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('190','Joel Osborne','Anther great post Mike! I see this all to often, unrelated products being offered simply because of a high\/good commission structure.\r\n\r\nBTW, I\'m enjoying the Seesmic videos, it makes it very easy to digest the information.\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Joel Osborne&amp;#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.privatelabelrights.ca\/private-label-rights\/7-money-making-ideas-for-plr-ebooks\/\&quot;&gt;7 Money Making Ideas for PLR Ebooks&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Andre Arnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre Arnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your other comments. There is nothing worse than being boon doggled with a squeeze page. Will cause me to delete as soon as I see what is going on. Must be getting some experience.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Andre Arnett&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://newbreedmarketer.com/blog/twitter/well-mr-twitter-where-do-we-go-from-here/&quot;&gt;Well Mr Twitter, Where Do We Go From Here?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;189&#039;,&#039;Andre Arnett&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;189&#039;,&#039;Andre Arnett&#039;,&#039;I agree with your other comments. There is nothing worse than being boon doggled with a squeeze page. Will cause me to delete as soon as I see what is going on. Must be getting some experience.\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Andre Arnett&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/newbreedmarketer.com\/blog\/twitter\/well-mr-twitter-where-do-we-go-from-here\/\&quot;&gt;Well Mr Twitter, Where Do We Go From Here?&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your other comments. There is nothing worse than being boon doggled with a squeeze page. Will cause me to delete as soon as I see what is going on. Must be getting some experience.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Andre Arnett&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://newbreedmarketer.com/blog/twitter/well-mr-twitter-where-do-we-go-from-here/">Well Mr Twitter, Where Do We Go From Here?</a></em></abbr>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('189','Andre Arnett'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('189','Andre Arnett','I agree with your other comments. There is nothing worse than being boon doggled with a squeeze page. Will cause me to delete as soon as I see what is going on. Must be getting some experience.\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Andre Arnett&amp;#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/newbreedmarketer.com\/blog\/twitter\/well-mr-twitter-where-do-we-go-from-here\/\&quot;&gt;Well Mr Twitter, Where Do We Go From Here?&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ric Raftis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ric Raftis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Mike. Drawing analogies is always a great way of teaching and the one of the turtles and the fish is very good.

Lists are interesting animals in themselves.  Unlike the fish, as marketers you need to GET noticed which only really comes about through interesting content in your mailings.  People also need to remember a list is a win/win situation where you give as well as take.

Cheers,&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;187&#039;,&#039;Ric Raftis&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;187&#039;,&#039;Ric Raftis&#039;,&#039;Good post Mike. Drawing analogies is always a great way of teaching and the one of the turtles and the fish is very good.\r\n\r\nLists are interesting animals in themselves.  Unlike the fish, as marketers you need to GET noticed which only really comes about through interesting content in your mailings.  People also need to remember a list is a win\/win situation where you give as well as take.\r\n\r\nCheers,&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Mike. Drawing analogies is always a great way of teaching and the one of the turtles and the fish is very good.</p>
<p>Lists are interesting animals in themselves.  Unlike the fish, as marketers you need to GET noticed which only really comes about through interesting content in your mailings.  People also need to remember a list is a win/win situation where you give as well as take.</p>
<p>Cheers,
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('187','Ric Raftis'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('187','Ric Raftis','Good post Mike. Drawing analogies is always a great way of teaching and the one of the turtles and the fish is very good.\r\n\r\nLists are interesting animals in themselves.  Unlike the fish, as marketers you need to GET noticed which only really comes about through interesting content in your mailings.  People also need to remember a list is a win\/win situation where you give as well as take.\r\n\r\nCheers,'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Earl Netwal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earl Netwal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Mike. Its relatively easy to get subscribers with a good product or offer. The key is to keep them as active buyers. A consistent credible and ongoing relationship are needed to do that. 

I&#039;ve quite a few lists that came to me through various promotions. I try to keep in mind how I got them when I send messages. And even though I am fired up about a project or program, I increasingly find myself not mailing to everyone, but only the groups whose origins were most relevant. 

I usually copy a past broadcast message from one of my lead lists, when I am sending out a new message and rely in its past distribution across all my lists to keep on topic. 

I wish I knew a way to combine my 2 dozen or so lists into a few groups on aweber.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Earl Netwal&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://microbusinessspecialist.com/blog/marketing-to-target-market/marketing-to-your-target-market/&quot;&gt;Marketing to your Target Market&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;186&#039;,&#039;Earl Netwal&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;186&#039;,&#039;Earl Netwal&#039;,&#039;Good points Mike. Its relatively easy to get subscribers with a good product or offer. The key is to keep them as active buyers. A consistent credible and ongoing relationship are needed to do that. \r\n\r\nI\&#039;ve quite a few lists that came to me through various promotions. I try to keep in mind how I got them when I send messages. And even though I am fired up about a project or program, I increasingly find myself not mailing to everyone, but only the groups whose origins were most relevant. \r\n\r\nI usually copy a past broadcast message from one of my lead lists, when I am sending out a new message and rely in its past distribution across all my lists to keep on topic. \r\n\r\nI wish I knew a way to combine my 2 dozen or so lists into a few groups on aweber.\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Earl Netwal&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/microbusinessspecialist.com\/blog\/marketing-to-target-market\/marketing-to-your-target-market\/\&quot;&gt;Marketing to your Target Market&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Mike. Its relatively easy to get subscribers with a good product or offer. The key is to keep them as active buyers. A consistent credible and ongoing relationship are needed to do that. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve quite a few lists that came to me through various promotions. I try to keep in mind how I got them when I send messages. And even though I am fired up about a project or program, I increasingly find myself not mailing to everyone, but only the groups whose origins were most relevant. </p>
<p>I usually copy a past broadcast message from one of my lead lists, when I am sending out a new message and rely in its past distribution across all my lists to keep on topic. </p>
<p>I wish I knew a way to combine my 2 dozen or so lists into a few groups on aweber.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Earl Netwal&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://microbusinessspecialist.com/blog/marketing-to-target-market/marketing-to-your-target-market/">Marketing to your Target Market</a></em></abbr>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('186','Earl Netwal'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('186','Earl Netwal','Good points Mike. Its relatively easy to get subscribers with a good product or offer. The key is to keep them as active buyers. A consistent credible and ongoing relationship are needed to do that. \r\n\r\nI\'ve quite a few lists that came to me through various promotions. I try to keep in mind how I got them when I send messages. And even though I am fired up about a project or program, I increasingly find myself not mailing to everyone, but only the groups whose origins were most relevant. \r\n\r\nI usually copy a past broadcast message from one of my lead lists, when I am sending out a new message and rely in its past distribution across all my lists to keep on topic. \r\n\r\nI wish I knew a way to combine my 2 dozen or so lists into a few groups on aweber.\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Earl Netwal&amp;#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/microbusinessspecialist.com\/blog\/marketing-to-target-market\/marketing-to-your-target-market\/\&quot;&gt;Marketing to your Target Market&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Doug Champigny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Champigny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Powerful stuff, Mike! 

There&#039;s another lesson there too - the little fish learn the ropes and alter their behavior, or get eaten. As you say, they learn to be more active AFTER the feeding frenzy.

This is a great analogy for newbie affiliates too - on big launches their &#039;me too&#039; promos get eaten up by the big guys. Better to wait til the initial launch feeding-frenzy is over, then talk to their lists about the product and look for unique ways to promote the big JVs.

Amazing what you can learn from turtles! :)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Doug Champigny&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://captain-affiliate.com/affiliate-marketing/the-advantages-of-affiliate-marketing/&quot;&gt;The Advantages Of Affiliate Marketing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;185&#039;,&#039;Doug Champigny&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;185&#039;,&#039;Doug Champigny&#039;,&#039;Powerful stuff, Mike! \r\n\r\nThere\&#039;s another lesson there too - the little fish learn the ropes and alter their behavior, or get eaten. As you say, they learn to be more active AFTER the feeding frenzy.\r\n\r\nThis is a great analogy for newbie affiliates too - on big launches their \&#039;me too\&#039; promos get eaten up by the big guys. Better to wait til the initial launch feeding-frenzy is over, then talk to their lists about the product and look for unique ways to promote the big JVs.\r\n\r\nAmazing what you can learn from turtles! :)\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Doug Champigny&#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/captain-affiliate.com\/affiliate-marketing\/the-advantages-of-affiliate-marketing\/\&quot;&gt;The Advantages Of Affiliate Marketing&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powerful stuff, Mike! </p>
<p>There&#8217;s another lesson there too &#8211; the little fish learn the ropes and alter their behavior, or get eaten. As you say, they learn to be more active AFTER the feeding frenzy.</p>
<p>This is a great analogy for newbie affiliates too &#8211; on big launches their &#8216;me too&#8217; promos get eaten up by the big guys. Better to wait til the initial launch feeding-frenzy is over, then talk to their lists about the product and look for unique ways to promote the big JVs.</p>
<p>Amazing what you can learn from turtles! <img src='http://www.threeturtlemarketing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em>Doug Champigny&#180;s last blog post..<a href="http://captain-affiliate.com/affiliate-marketing/the-advantages-of-affiliate-marketing/">The Advantages Of Affiliate Marketing</a></em></abbr>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('185','Doug Champigny'); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('185','Doug Champigny','Powerful stuff, Mike! \r\n\r\nThere\'s another lesson there too - the little fish learn the ropes and alter their behavior, or get eaten. As you say, they learn to be more active AFTER the feeding frenzy.\r\n\r\nThis is a great analogy for newbie affiliates too - on big launches their \'me too\' promos get eaten up by the big guys. Better to wait til the initial launch feeding-frenzy is over, then talk to their lists about the product and look for unique ways to promote the big JVs.\r\n\r\nAmazing what you can learn from turtles! :)\n\n&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Doug Champigny&amp;#180;s last blog post..&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/captain-affiliate.com\/affiliate-marketing\/the-advantages-of-affiliate-marketing\/\&quot;&gt;The Advantages Of Affiliate Marketing&lt;\/a&gt;&lt;\/em&gt;&lt;\/abbr&gt;'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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